Hi everybody:

We are going to buy a new CTP, this CTP is Computer to conventional plate.
Is really good? or is very, very bad?
Now we have a Cobalt 8 (this Ctp is the worst ctp I have seen).
I need oppinions and experiences about Basysprint UV-Setter 746.

Thanks in advance

If you say Cobalt is the worst CTP you've ever seen, perhaps UVsetter would be the second in line.
Do a search on this forum, plenty of posts on this UVsetter...

Ok, but what are the problems of this CTcP? Because the problems of Cobalt 8 I know.
I want to know the problems of Bysysprin UV-Setter 746 because I have to expose to may supervisor. He want to buy this CTcP.

Thanks in advance

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Originally posted by elprofeta:
Ok, but what are the problems of this CTcP? Because the problems of Cobalt 8 I know.
I want to know the problems of Bysysprin UV-Setter 746 because I have to expose to may supervisor. He want to buy this CTcP.

Thanks in advance

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If you have suffered a bad system already, i would advise you set out to buy the best and most proven CTP system and process available. Why go from one bad device to another.

There are some successful users of Basysprint but the reports are spotty and you will hear some good, some bad. In general it isn't the best method for CTP and that's why it is only a splinter of the market. CTP has been going about 10 years now. Leaders and best devices, technologies are now proven. Many companies have never broken through and many remain in the fringe. Cobalt has proven to be a poor system. many companies have gone under.

My advice is to go with a leader. Get the device, manufacturer, and method that is CLEARLY PROVEN over many years and thousands of installs. DS Screen has installed their 11,000th CTP system recently. Thermal Laser and External Drum is how they started out. These represent the best technology, method, and manufacturer. To me, a decision that is guaranteed and proven to do well. Why look at a fringe device and mfr. with a spotty record questionable future.

I would never consider a Cobalt or a BasysPrint, it's too risky and could easily be a decision to regret. Invest in a proven winner, no regrets. I have two devices, both represent the two best devices in CTP, Creo Trendsetter, still have as a backup, and my new Fuji javelin 8600s MAL w/Dual OLP. Devices like this are devices you can grow a company with and ensure success in CTP. These others are a big chance. Good Luck, HTH


HERE's MORE INFO ON COBALT:

Prepress Forum, Search
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Cobalt it's not good CtP. BIG BIG BIG PROBLEM. I'm hardly not recomended for buying. - change settings for laser power (calibration) every day ( . ...
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/search.php?search_author=vinodrnavwab

Prepress Forum, Escher Grad Cobalt 4 problems?
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Is anyone running a Cobalt 4 platesetter that has had recent ongoing problems with laser power, imaging, or calibration issues? I have heard from a couple ...
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/viewtopic.php?t=473

Prepress Forum, cobalt 4 computer to plate drum question
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Hi does any one know how the COBALT 4 computer to plate system which has an internal drum performs compared to say AGFA external drum ...
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/viewtopic.php?p=1624

Prepress Forum, Cobalt 8 CtP Escher-Grad Computer to Plate System
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Prepress Forums and Graphic Design Forums, the online Graphic Arts community. The Printers, Publishers, and Designers Prepress Supersite!
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/viewtopic.php?t=1105

Prepress Forum, CTcP Basysprint UV-Setter 746
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Now we have a Cobalt 8 (this Ctp is the worst ctp I have seen). ... If you say Cobalt is the worst CTP you've ever seen, perhaps UVsetter would be the ...
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/viewtopic.php?p=6525

Prepress Forum, Search
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Joe, you misunderstood me. Unbaked - 200.000 prints. Baked - far from 5 Mil prints. 1 Mi ... Topic: Cobalt 8 CtP Escher-Grad Computer to Plate System ...
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/search.php?search_author=MrBig

Prepress Forum, Violet CTP
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I have heard this one before from the Cobalt sales reps. Unfortunately, it's not the easiest thing to verify this kind of information. ...
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/viewtopic.php?p=3831

Prepress Forum, Imaging Problems
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We have a Harlequin rip, running an Escher-Grad Cobalt 4 violet ctp, with Colenta processor. Were using Fuji lpnv plates with Fuji dev,rep, and gum. ...
http://software-robotics.com/graphic-design-prepress/viewtopic.php?p=922
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Hi,

We have 2 CTcP's ( unfortunately) in our setup. Also we have 2 more CTP's devices, one is Trendsetter which we are using for almost 8 years and Topsetter more than 4.5yrs. Both CTPs are outstanding and require very minimal service.

The output quality of the CTcP is not upto the Standard Printing quality. Definitely the plate is cheaper so your ROI is faster. But considering the fact the speed, resolution, spares, service and operator skills the savings is less.

The speed depends on the plate size, lamp life, sensistivity of the coating, image area, chemical strength etc. So its very difficult to define the speed.

Since your already having one bad device, dont go for another one more bad device. Look for some best solutions available as suggested by Joe.

Premon..

i have to agree with the last comments about the basysprints, but as in any equipment, it all depends on your team of people and the tech people you get near, creo (now kodak) wouldnt heve the best ctps if it werent for their techs. and the position of them when helping the customers. basys are really a little bit harder to see the things for helping the customers. so think in other equipments and more if you are buying them new.
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carlossc_73@prodigy.net.mx

Our company is just getting into CTP and all of these comments are very useful while we check out competing machines

Ken

All opinions I think is well, but I need the problems about Basysprint UV-Setter 746, like calibration problems,lamp problems, machine problems, problems with plates, etc.

Thanks in advance

you have already listed the problems. In my opinion go for Thermal (read Kodak).

1500 dpi, max 200 lpi, higher speeds only with negative plates, same gaussian dots of max 10-12 micron resolution on plates, outsourced DLP( Digital Light Processing ) technology from Texas Instruments powering its DMD digital MicroMirror Device ( a matrix of 1.3 million individual mirrors having a flipflop of 45degrees to simulate a binary response of light reflection on plate) , flatbed system with questionable registration repeatability and susceptibity to dust, with less cost of PS plates not holding true in near future due to diminishing prices of thermal, lesser process control, three consuambles - DMD, laser, and coolant.... and most importantly no upgradeability path.....if that sounds good go for it. Else choose thermal from a vendor which will not boast only on cost of the box but will delight you with its services and solutions....
Chill
Swarnangka
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swaran

elprofeta,

Interesting your experience with Cobalt and your questions about Basys. We sell both systems and I am personally trained to service both.
Each has its place. The Cobalt is the least expensive CTP out there and if you can get the hang of plate loading we have had good luck with these units. They are actually very reliable. I probably have the most experience servicing these units and can solve any problem, maybe you need a fresh approach.

Basys is a great system but is pricy. Main advantage is that it images standard UV plates which are cheaper. If you image lots of plates this may be the machine for you. I spent 2 weeks at the Basys factory in Germany in August and it is impressive. The technology is equally impressive. These units are built like tanks and with the new "scrolling technology" are faster and smoother operating. Let me know if I can be of help.
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We offer new and used Screen, Escher Grad and Basys Thermal, Violet and UV CTP, Epson "Dot for Dot" Proofing with Starproof, Ink Jet Ink, Paper and Printing Plates.

process stability, availibility from multiple vendors giving more negotiation power, dependable and mature technology, continious value engineering and most importantly modularity should be primary concerns while making a capex in CtP. Thermal scores on these.
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swaran

you cant miss out on the screening options and the sturdy FM dots with thermal which conventional or gaussian exposure energy sources will fall short of acheiving!
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swaran

hi everbody
my problems basys UV-setter 742 . this machine continuous problem.
calibration problem.light problem.lamp problem.mechanical parts problem.
focus problem.service big problem.
we buy this machine before 15 month and in this time our machine see 16
time service.? dont know what ? do? it case very tragic and ? am very very
unhappy. ? ask 2 question.
1- service want only one lamp 1500 euro. machien to be 2 lamp 3.000 euro
lamp 2000 hours. osram hbo 1001 w/bp. from where buy to lamp.

2-we want to plaintiff of basys.what are to do.? to have a chance.

please answer to me because ? have to go mad.
thansk.

Hello ctcat,

Welcome, man I feel your pain because my first CTP was 2 devices that were very unstable and unreliable. It was a living hell for me because the weight of the whole operation comes down to having plates ready. When you have a device that sucks like this the stress is unbelievable.

This is why I get passionate about steering people to a good device and decision for CTP. To make a wrong turn is a major problem. In my case it was decision made before I came to work at a place. They had bought two Gerber C-42 and they ran like crap. When department was in big trouble, I get hired to deal with problem.. OMG.

Anyway, I moved the topic to a new thread here, this way maybe can get you some help while you go through all this.
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Basys UV-Setter 742 CTP Failing, Major Problems
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